What Army do Never Trumpers bring?

Well, going forward, here is the blueprint for how grownups debate. How, on social media or in real life, reasonable adults who accept science, evidence, facts, and logic can have a disagreement and discuss it. Bob Cesca has a Wednesday interview show that is available on his Patreon page that is free to the public. The idea is that you will go to the Patreon page, enjoy the free content, and be moved to kick him a few dollars to help continue producing content. A great concept, this is the good side of DIY political media and we should all consider spending a little bit here and there to support independent media. And for almost the exact reason for the debate here; because mainstream corporate media is not up to the task of defending democracy and in many ways is responsible for the horrid political climate that lets republicans skate away scott free from every disaster they cause and then put them on television to cover it up and call liberals traitors, etc.

Bob had Driftglass and Blue Gal on this week. They have had a low intensity disagreement for months now over the subject of Never Trump republican conservatives. I'll give you three guesses who's side I'm on and the first two don't count. It has annoyed me to ever higher levels that Bob has taken the position that some grand coalition of liberals and never trumpers will come together to rescue democracy and get rid of #doughfacedonnny. Driftglass has intermittently called Bob out for the, God Chez Pazienza would hate me using this word, problematic nature of throwing in with never trumpers. I don't want to tear down Bob, his heart is in the right place, heck I even tried this argument before the election. "This time, just this time" don't vote republican for president, #doughfacedonny is fundamentally unfit for office in every sense of the word is what I tried to convey. But too many credulous liberals are retweeting Bill Kristol, Rick Wilson, Steve Schmidt, and others as though they have awoken from the multiple decades of leadership in conservative intellectual and political circles to see the error of their ways. This has to stop, these people are not your friends.

Bob clings to liberal optimistic hope that things might be, could be different this time. Hope is inherently about the future, and the future is not set. Sure it's possible that this coalition could arise, but is it likely? Is it worth the price liberals would pay by embracing people who were calling them anti-American traitors two years ago? I used to write about Bob and Chez as being akin to the subjects of my MA thesis, Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. and Reinhold Niebuhr. Like them, Niebuhr died earlier than Schlesinger and it is possible that the latter would have thought and wrote in different ways if the former had lived longer. Chez was a healthy voice of skepticism in the more gregarious Bob's ear and while Bob has new co-hosts who exercise some influence on him, he doesn't have that same grounding he once had before Chez died. This is the first time in a while that DG & BG have been on Bob's show and it isn't a seamless transition because they were guests on his interview show, not co-hosts with equal weight to drive the discussion. But DG & BG did present that counterargument that has been lacking on Bob's show.

I'm not finished listening to the debate. Just wanted to get something down about the show itself. The point being that this is how adults argue. This is how sensible people can disagree on something but still be on speaking terms. It's a good demonstration of what we can do if we remember that that disembodied text commenting on something you post, or a news story on a public forum is also a human being. As for the title of this post, it was something that Driftglass said about the coalition with never trumpers. The US allied with Stalin during WWII because the Soviet Union had the Red Army and was a huge asset in fighting the common foe. What do never trumpers bring? Votes, where? The death star plans to unravel their propaganda machine and deprogram all the meatheads? Even some small assurance that we won't go back to defending against grand bargains and how much to cut Social Security again once #doughfacedonny is behind bars, as Blue Gal added. The votes from these people are a rounding error, and they are simply taking opposition seats on tv news that should go to actual liberals who have been fighting trump and the fascism he represents (and republicans embody) since the beginning.

RIP Chez Pazienza

The Resistance lost a powerful voice yesterday. I woke up to read Bob Cesca's post that his partner in podcasting, and my friend, Chez Pazienza passed away last night. No one has said how so far and he was only 47. This is the definition of not fair, and where lots of people will throw around phrases like "no justice, too soon, unbelievable," and so on. As internet social circles go though, I considered him a real friend. I could send him messages and he would reply as though I was a real person and not some anonymous collection of 1s and 0s in the Aether. I miss him already.

Far more eloquent and passionate writers than I have already weighed in on Facebook about Chez' passing. I simply want to be part of the chorus. How can a nobody like me expect to add something original or moving? I was just honored to be a tiny junior fanboy of both Bob and Chez, Listening to them always felt like I was the freshman sort of on the periphery of the cool seniors' table. But instead of making fun of or belittling me when I asked a question or had something I wanted to share Chez listened and thoughtfully responded. That was the kind of guy he was, though he would overgeneralize about how stupid other (republican) people were, one on one respect and common courtesy were the rule for Chez.

Too soon, for sure. I listened and read each of Chez' laments for all the recent passing of artists who made such an impact on and enriched our lives. I never thought for a second that he would be joining them. No justice, oh man oh man. If Chez divided the world into the good guys and the bad guys, as I suspect he really did in a way reminiscent of the great theologian Reinhold Niebuhr whom I once compared him to, then our team is down so many starters and quality backups while the bad guys are all still sitting pretty and sucking the life out of everyone.

Hearing the news this morning made me immediately think of Hunter S. Thompson, not that I have any reason to believe it was suicide or that Chez really had much in common with the Gonzo legend. But Thompson fought the good fight against Richard Milhous Nixon, he lived through Reagan and watched the wave of enlightenment crest in the '60s and steadily recede. Finally, in the wake of the reelection (ho ho) of George W. Bush he had finally had enough and exercised the option of cashing in his chips. Chez experienced 9/11 at a deeply personal level and dedicated a good portion of his life fighting back at those who exploited the tragedy of that day. It would not surprise me in the least to find out that the triumph of cartoon fascism broke his heart.

I re-titled this blog a while back because gloominess just wasn't appropriate, besides I felt Chez had the market on gloominess kind of cornered. What I thought at the time was how much justice and fairness really are human constructs, the universe could give less than a warm squirt of piss what happens to any of us. Tentacles of course are popularly associated with the cosmic horror of H.P. Lovecraft. And the only way to make sense of Chez' passing without delving into conspiracy, which he would have absolutely hated, is to accept that the universe is utterly indifferent. We care that he is gone; but the stars don't.

Not to be sentimental pseudo-religious because I know he'd hate that too, but I hope that Chez is up in a heaven of his liking, hanging out with Bowie and Prince, and all the others he respected and admired who preceded him there. Your battle is over Deux Ex Malcontent, the rest of us will carry on. The good fight was worth fighting when Chez was on Earth and he fought it well; it remains the good fight today and everyday hereafter it will be worth it.

Getting The House In Order

I am a big fan of The Bubble Genius Bob and Chez Show, and I follow their writing for The Daily Banter and elsewhere. This is a podcast about politics that Mr. Cesca and Mr. Pazienza host twice a week to bring their pragmatic liberal point of view to a grateful audience. I am using the honorific "Mr." out of respect and it is how gentlemen talk about their friends. Two and a half years ago I wrote an open letter to Chez so I could try and cheer him up and share some historical perspective with anyone who was open to reading it. I like to think it helped, Chez posted the link to his blog and The Daily Banter, where the letter received a decent response, and an expression of gratitude from the man himself. Recently the show has focused more and more energy on the fringiest of fringes, the so-called Bernie Bots. Chez's articles have also lately become borderline obsessed with the idea that there are an enormous number of these privileged snowflakes who cannot wait to stay home on election day if Bernie Sanders is not the Democratic nominee. I am worried that this tendency is negatively impacting his mental health and want to give it another try to help my friend and to start getting our Democratic house in order for this long march to election day.

I am the first to admit that correlation does not necessarily mean causation, my letter could have had no real impact on Chez's improved attitude and writing. But if there is even a chance that I can be of some help I want to share my perspective on the issue of Bernie Bots and the attempted sabotage of keeping a Democrat in the White House, then let's give it a shot. I want Kid Dynamite (someone called Chez that in a comment on my post, I'm pretty sure he was being sincere) back in form and blasting the snot out of Republican obstructionism.

I will preface this by saying that I will be turning the mirror around a bit and using some of Bob's and your words, observations, and ideas to make a case for snapping back to form. And yes, I'm being selfish because every time you, Chez, write a monster smack down of that Republican obstructionism I get a warm fuzzy. This obsession started with grumbling about college kids being college kids, so let's start there. The beautiful thing about being Eighteen, Nineteen, etc. is it only happens once, and this is (hopefully) "our" chance to be stupid and live to tell about it. Bob certainly noted after the low youth turn out in 2014 that what loud college kids want is often irrelevant to our larger political reality. I have also written about the stupid mistake I made in 2000 and tried to atone for it. You and Bob have repeatedly stated that crowd sizes, yard signs, and social media hits are a poor gauge for estimating electoral strength. So I want to state that I worry you are being had.

Or am I missing the point? Is this grumpy "get off my lawn" idiom just an act? A niche to fill for this election cycle and bathe in clicks? No, I don't think so. Unless everything about your writing has been an act since I started reading it. Though criticizing Bernie Sanders' supporters has certainly generated a lot of pageviews and comments. On the other hand, and this may be completely unsupported anecdotal evidence, it seems like so many of the commenters are repeat offenders and the discussion is between just a few passionate people with a lot to say. There have been about 26,000 shares of your latest article on Bernie supporters, how many of those are from real, engaged citizens and how many are from people just passing on a cool meme? With all the technology available to us these days, it is still awfully hard to tell.

At the risk of using a Doocy mark, how many so-called #feelthebern movement leader types could just be paid right wing trolls? Is is wrong to ask the question of whether much of this controversy is actually being led by agents provocateur? How many dedicated, professional, well-paid propagandists would it take to lead an army of disconnected volunteer trolls to pretend that they are actually leftist Liberal critics of Hillary Clinton? My answer: One. You guys have commented in the past that comment thread trolls are often led by by one operative or organization that produces the memes and talking points for issues of the day. The majority of "conservative" trolls are followers, right wing authoritarian followers to be precise. It really would only take one person to forward the idea on some obscure, reactionary message board that everybody should show up on liberal websites and social media to attack Clinton from the left, and the trolls would come running. After making exaggerated claims (conveniently echoing Republican propaganda) criticizing Clinton, and making the idealistic stand about "teaching the 'establishment' a lesson" and that politics as usual is not good enough, we come to the 'staying home or voting for Trump' portion of the ratfucking campaign.

Or it may be that the Bernie or bust movement is wholly part of the "far left", as it was in 2000 with Ralph Nader and the Green Party. I dislike speculating because there are no reliable documents to put forward as evidence. And the social media revolution has turned discourse into shifting desert sands anyway. Left or right, any number of people can create a number of sock puppet accounts to echo their message and agenda. Just as there are right wing authoritarian followers who obediently line up behind authority figures who tell them what they want to hear and will gladly attack anyone who disagrees with their self-righteous world view, there are left wing versions as well. In The Authoritarians Bob Altemeyer describes the left wing authoritarian follower as a permanent rebel who is never satisfied with the existing order. Sound familiar? You and Bob talk about them all the time without using that label. It could be any combination of these vandals manipulating people for a myriad of reasons

The right wing authoritarian followers who show up to troll liberals have their leaders in right wing media and politics, with Trump being the textbook definition of the "social dominator" that Altemeyer described. But left wing authoritarian followers have leaders as well, you and Bob know them well. These are the Glenn Greenwalds and H. A. Goodmans of the world, and Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. had them defined as "wailers" almost seventy years ago. In The Vital Center he described those two chuckle heads as "democratic men with totalitarian principles" almost as dogmatic and ideologically driven as their power-hungry counterparts on the right. I wrote about "wailers" and "doughface progressives" in several posts a few years ago (here, here, here, and here) because of the similarities between our self-appointed "purist" progressives who aggressively complained about being excluded and betrayed by the Obama Administration after working so hard to get him elected and those careerist "establishment" doughfaces in the administration who aggressively complained about the pajamas media and their foolish liberal agenda. Both sides had a point and the fact that we had to have that debate in public makes me despair of ever getting the house in order.

But seriously, in the large electoral coalition that is the Democratic Party, how many of these Bernie Bots that pledge to never vote for anyone but him are there? Chirping about it on those social media-driven websites that depend on Facebook traffic is one thing, but how many of these chuckle heads were going to vote before Bernie entered the race? Statistically insignificant is the term that springs to mind. Whether driven by authoritarians on the left or right, the numbers of Bots is pretty small. Most of the people I know and people I have observed do not have the nihilistic and apocalyptic view of pouting and staying home if they don't get what they want. No, most is not even the real descriptor, one is more like it and she never voted for a Democrat before. So the excessive energy spent trying to reason with people you, Chez, always admit will never see reason seems like a waste. We can't get everyone to agree, that's why we have elections. It is an imperfect method of resolving differences, but it's better than letting Trump make all the decisions.

I would love to see the young, disillusioned college types get out there in huge numbers and contribute their energy and passion to the process of democracy, but it hasn't happened. We can't win them all and moreover, we're not ready for a revolution. Even if that revolution is simply a return to dedicated New Deal policies and programs, which Bernie is basically advocating (for all the talk about Democratic Socialism, Senator Sanders is just a staunch New Dealer). Too many people have been effectively conditioned by the right wing media into petulant children. And not just on the right, the most interesting and largely unexplored facet of our descent into fascism has been how coarse we have all become in recent years. And goddamnit, wasn't The Daily Banter trying to "unfuck" the internet and raise discourse? I agree with most of what you, Chez, said in that piece, now that catharsis has been achieved it is time to take a break and stop policing the kids. The rest of non-authoritarian society needs you to get our house in order.

Open letter to Mr. Pazienza

Dear Chez,

I have been noticing your descent from simple grumpiness to downright tongue-tied furiosity on the Bubble Genius show lately and wanted to express a parallel to maybe help or at least provide some small measure of comfort during this time of crisis. Yes, the republic is in peril. Yes, the spectacle of brain-damaged conservatives pulling off stunt after stunt is disheartening. And yes, there is plenty of reason to believe this is the final plunge. Perhaps someone calling himself "The Gloomy Historian" is not the wellspring of hope to reassure you or your readers that all is not lost, but hear me out because this is certainly not the first time our country and democracy has so brazenly embraced self-destruction. "Darkest before dawn" may be a tired cliché, but in the story to follow it turned out to be the truth and dawn held for a half century, until we forgot the lessons of that dark time.

A while back I sent you a message comparing Bob Cesca and yourself to the subjects of my MA thesis, Arthur Schlesinger jr. and Reinhold Niebuhr respectively. While I certainly do not consider myself an expert in the conventional sense on any of you, I believe there are enough similarities to make a convincing comparison. I know Bob loves history in the same way Schlesinger did and both combine that love with their advocacy of the pragmatic liberal position and pursuit of truth. You, Chez, on the other hand run from the religious faith that gave Niebuhr strength despite your regularly voicing the realist view Niebuhr developed and even quoting his Serenity Prayer. I am not suggesting you slide on down to the Triple Rock and catch Rev. Cleophus James for some churching up (YES! YES! JESUS H. TAP-DANCING CHRIST... I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!). In fact, your secularism provides evidence that religion is not required to find an ethical and moral code to live by.

It was the 1920s and conservative regression and reaction were ascendant and practically unchallenged. After beating back the war preparedness measures of the Wilson Administration and defeating America's entry into the League of Nations, Republicans unleashed and enabled corporate power beyond their wildest dreams. Reinhold Niebuhr was on the outside looking in. After a stint as a four minute man, selling a war he did not fully believe in and turning his back on his German ancestry, Niebuhr was deeply disillusioned by a trip to war-ravaged Europe that humanity really was doomed. The theologian abandoned many of his Christian convictions of pacifism in the belief that democracy and liberty were ideas worth fighting and sacrificing for, and suffered the disappointment of being alone on a weak branch. Niebuhr felt the Great War was the chance for America to live up to its ideals at home and finally exercise a responsible involvement among the community of nations. Instead, we abandoned the world and turned inward for profit and "normalcy." It was a horrible time to be a reformer and Niebuhr's writings of the time reflect his deep cynicism of opportunity lost and the incredible selfishness of American elites. I hope Chez, that you can see parallels. America has a tendency to let us down.

America of the 1920s was the jazz and automobile wonderland talked about in too many textbooks, but it was also a land of vast inequality in wealth and power. Labor was practically a spent force, workers scrambled on their own for scraps. Radio allowed news and entertainment to enter American homes, but it also gave a platform to venomous preachers of hate such as Charles Coughlin and Aimee Semple McPherson if that sounds familiar. Debt lost its traditional stigma as materialism and marketing, those twin banes of the American reform spirit, became a metaphorical plague of locusts. And the dark shades of speculation were rearing their voracious mouths to consume and destabilize the economy years before the crash in another familiar refrain. Henry Ford famously remarked that "history is bunk" but his outlook was not shared by the neo-confederate revisionists in the academy and the KKK. Lynching, intimidation, hate over the airwaves, and all against the backdrop of "entrepreneurial" con jobs and snake oil salesmen running roughshod over the quaint ideas of freedom and democracy chasing that almighty dollar.

The big difference today seems to be that the crash did not slap people out of this crassness, nor did Americans become "good neighbors" or find solidarity in shared privation against uncaring power. As a prominent writer, speaker, and thinker Niebuhr played a role in turning the tide after unbridled capitalism vomited all over the city on a hill. It is not easy to pinpoint when the change from "untamed cynic" to Christian Realist occurred in Niebuhr during America's great crisis. But after preaching the folly of 1920s vices that culminated in Moral Man and Immoral Society he was able to channel the revelations about human nature into an ideology of leftist reform that eschewed idealism for pragmatism. Niebuhr even had a nemesis on the left that you, Chez and Bob, could easily understand. The feud between Christian Realists and the followers of John Dewey's philosophy may be largely forgotten today, but it had much of the intensity (though not the venom) of rivalry between Greenwaldian emoprogs and the Daily Banter today.

It may be a long shot from our contemporary point of view, but Niebuhr's frustration and triumph (his ideas influenced everything from the New Deal to the Civil Rights movement) give evidence for hope that the confused and divided Children of Light will eventually get their act together and prevail over the moneyed interests and Children of Darkness that know no law beyond their own self-interest. Or we can give up and follow your prescriptions for dealing with the NRA, but you'd be on your own for that one. I have no stomach for force anymore.

Sincerely,
The Kraken

Podcasts

Another case of the Kraken being behind the times.

Something valuable came to my attention recently almost by accident that I thought I would pass on to anyone who might find utility in it. I think I was vaguely aware of podcasts before but it took a jolt to actually look into it.

I was a fan of Bob Cesca's work on Huffpo and started following him on a new site called The Daily Banter. Then found out he did a podcast with Chez Pazienza and stumbled onto it through Google. All of a sudden a new world opened on the ITunes store, there are podcasts for just about every subject and most of them are free to subscribe to. So, The Bubble Genius Bob and Chez Show features the two hosts bantering (pun intended) back and forth about the news of the day. No guests, no phone-ins but I guess the thing that caught my attention is their left-realist perspective reminiscent of Arthur Schlesinger Jr. and Reinhold Niebuhr. It is a strand sorely lacking in American media today, tough and pragmatic, and unwilling to play the weasel-word "both sides" meme of corporate media. Niebuhr himself would have found the irony in a committed atheist in 2013 regularly quoting him, as Chez does, especially since he Chez expressed no knowledge of Niebuhr's work when I contacted him about it. Bob is as idealistic and pure as Schlesinger ever was, but neither man was ever naïve about the real world. Cesca also has a keen interest in history, particularly the American Civil War, further strengthening the comparison with Arthur Schlesinger. Someday I will dedicate more analysis to this inquiry.

Other podcasts I have found to keep me occupied during all the time I spend in the car include: The Talking Dead, two incredibly polite and nice Canadian fellows who spend their time talking about death and apocalypse on AMC's The Walking Dead; Full of Sith, Star Wars and comics; Rachel Maddow's audio highlights from her MSNBC show since I no longer have cable; and the intriguing My History can beat up your politics, more or less a lecture formatted 'cast comparing contemporary events to historical ones. Then I just discovered The Alton Browncast, anyone who ever watched AB's show Good Eats or his other appearances on Food Network knows that he is very well-spoken and knowledgeable. I learned how to cook from him and a heck of a lot about cultures and food history over the years. Mr. Brown is from Atlanta and trained himself to speak without a Southern Accent for television, he records the 'cast from his garage which is very punk rock. The first episode he was speaking really fast at times, which is easy to do in this format but slowed down in the second so there is definitely a lot of promise here.

 So if you spend too much of your time in a car or doing work that requires your hands and eyes but not necessarily your ears, podcasts might be a good (and often free) investment. This does not mean I have lessened my support of audiobooks but let's be honest, not everyone can stay focused during a long time recitation of a book. 'Casts are usually 45 minutes to an hour, so about the same as a music album.