Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Mechanically-separated debate

Why, why, why do I bother? After noticing this picture on a heart-string jerking appeal to stop "pink slime" beef from use in school lunches. I made a remark that the same picture was used to scare us about mechanically-separated chicken. A third person then jumped in and said there was no difference between them, the same process is used on beef and chicken. Maybe if I had said that "they" don't then use soylent beef to make chicken nuggets or soylent chicken to make hamburgers the distinction I was making would have "revealed itself." In any case, my distinction was ignored and I was told to do more research.

Did the animal this stuff came from look like this:

Or like this:

Regardless of the process used to formulate the above picture, they are not the same. When the same image is used to jerk the heart-strings on two different issues, it is fraud. One is true, the other false.
Have our moral systems degraded so far that this doesn't matter anymore? Are we so used to big business and government lying to us that we think nothing of lying?
If I have learned anything from many internet debates, the answer must be yes and then some. It seems that the key to internet arguing is:
1. Never concede anything
2. Maintain your premise regardless of opposing evidence
3. Never acknowledge points your opponent makes
4. Talk past your opponent to the larger audience of spectators
5. Never accept opponents' premises
6. Even when you have no idea what you are talking about, fake it and defend your position in spite of this.
7. When all else fails, attack your opponent using any of a dozen fallacies.
My favorite part of the argument was when she said it is not big business but government that is responsible for pink slime. I suppose that is true in the same way government caused the 2008 crash, or any of a dozen things people blame government for when the same morally and ethically challenged businesses are the real culprit and have simply captured elements of government that are supposed to regulate this or that objectively bad thing. So the problem was that government was buying pink slime to put in school lunches, not the beef products llc or whatever the company that makes the crap in the first place.
Anyway, doesn't matter, "I" need to do more research. Fuck this shit.

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